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We're hearing people at Google say like,
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"Oh, it's now at a level of a junior
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engineer." And they're thinking, "Hm,
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maybe let's hold off on hiring new grads
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because they're telling us, some of
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these so-called experts, that it's now
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at the level of a junior engineer, so
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maybe we don't need junior engineers."
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What would you suggest to people who are
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in this thinking? I think that's
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backwards in many ways. I think actually
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folks that go to high school now or to
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college or even kids earlier in their
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education, they get to use AI much
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faster and they get it because they are
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taking this with an open mind. They
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don't have the this is how we always
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done it. They haven't been in an
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experience where some change that was
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applied from upper management or from
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the engineers themselves has led to a
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big outage and things like that. Kids
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are much more open to just scrolling
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through charts and consuming the content
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they'd like to consume. While you and I
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were a child, we had linear TV and you
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got to watch what was on the living room
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TV, what your mom and dad decided is on
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on tonight, right? And so they have much
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more freedom and I think this will lead
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to ultimately junior engineers coming or
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interns coming into the companies and
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bringing in prompting skills experience
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with different models. Intern doesn't
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mean I haven't worked for another
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company before. It might be my second or
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third internship or might have already
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been coding with a group of students on
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my own project on my own app. So you get
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a lot of good new ideas and outside
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perspective that is ultimately crucial
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to compete in the market. And I think
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vice versa these interns then go back
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into college and they have worked on
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something real. I remember my time at
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university I always had the feeling I
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got to get out into the industry and
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learn how it's actually done because
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while you learn coding in university but
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you don't really have an engineering
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system, you're not having tech debt.
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You're not working on a legacy codebase.
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Coming an engineer in a company means
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you're working on somebody else's code
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often now GitHub 17 years old code and
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you have to follow up on decisions other
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people made and that's not how you learn
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coding in a university. And so I think
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it's both as important to have those
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special ideas within the company but
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also for us important to give back to
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those that in the future become GitHub
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customers.