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Hey, I'm Kramer. Welcome to Mad Money.
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Welcome to Kramer. Be one of my friends.
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I'm just trying to make you a little
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money. My job is not just to entertain,
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but to educate and teach you. So call me
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at 1800743. Tweet me at Jim Kramer. You
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want to know the single most useless
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thing you can do in this business? Oh,
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that's easy. The most useless thing you
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can do as an investor is to worry
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about what everyone else is worrying
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about. The flip side of this is also
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true. There's no point in getting
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excited about something that everybody
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else is eagerly anticipating. Why? See,
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because when the vast majority of
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investors agree that something's going
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to happen, that thing is already priced
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into the stock market. Priced in while
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the real economy moves at its own state
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pace. For example, you got to borrow
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money to buy it, build out equipment.
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Then you use that equipment to
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manufacture goods and transport them to
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retail outlets and wait for the customer
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to come along and buy them. The stock
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market has no such limitations. Stocks
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don't quite travel at the speed of
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thought, but they come pretty close. So
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the moment a preponderance of hedge fund
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and mutual fund managers decide that the
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economy is slowing or speeding up or
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flatlining,
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stocks start trading like that's already
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the case. Usually it takes some time to
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build that kind of consensus, which is
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why you rarely see these moves happening
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instantaneously. But once the big
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institutional portfolio managers are on
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the same page about something, you can
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be pretty darn confident that it's baked
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into the averages. This is some basic
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economics 101 stuff. Now, I don't have a
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ton of use for economists as a
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professional on this show. They tend to
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take a totally ivory tower approach to
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this discipline. Meaning, they have all
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sorts of models for how the the world's
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supposed to work. The economy is
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supposed to work. Often very boring
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models, by the way. But they rarely let
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the empirical facts get in the way of a
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good theory. If the data conflicts with
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the model, economists have a bad habit
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of throwing away the data and not the
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However, as long as you keep that caveat
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in mind, some basic economics is
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incredibly useful when you're trying to
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manage your own money. For example,
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let's take something a little bit
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difficult, but we're going to get get to
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this together. What's known as the
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efficient markets hypothesis. This
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series says that at any given moment,
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stock prices already reflect all the
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relevant information that's out there.
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And when some new piece of data comes
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out, stocks immediately adjust to
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reflect the new reality. You often hear
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index fund purists citing this theory to
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explain why it's impossible for stock
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pickers to get any kind of edge. Because
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whatever you know about a company should
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already be baked into its share price.
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As far as they're concerned, markets are
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so efficient that investing in
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individual stocks is basically the same
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as gambling. If everything you could
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possibly know is already priced into the
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stock, that means your homework's
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meaningless. And the only thing that can
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push a stock higher or lower is some
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random new piece of information nobody
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knows about, it has to be something
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totally unknown. Because if anyone did
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know, they would have acted on it
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already. Erggo would be baked into the
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share price. That means under the
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extreme version of the efficient market
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hypothesis, the only thing that can move
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stocks are unknown unknowns to use the
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parliament of former defense secretary
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Donald Run. And if you're merely betting
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on unknown unknowns, you might as well
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just be playing roulette. It's more fun.
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Again, that's why index funds ei
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advocates adore the efficient markets
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hypothesis. This theory tells them that
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it's impossible for individual investors
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to consistently beat the averages. So,
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if you want equity exposure, the only
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spot way to do it is putting your money
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into a nice lowcost index fund that
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mirrors the S&P 500. Now, as anyone who
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watch the show regularly knows, I have
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no beef with index funds. In fact, I
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think they're the best way for the vast
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majority of people to invest in the
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market. I've held that way that position
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since the year 2000. Even if you got the
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time and the inclination to pick
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individual stocks and manage your own
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portfolio, you should still direct a big
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chunk of your savings, if not the
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plurality of it, into some cheap S&P 500
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index fund. It's the safest way to give
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yourself equity exposure. It's perfect
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for your retirement accounts. Think of
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it like this. It's not that easy to be a
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good individual stock investor. It takes
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real work, which is why, of course, we
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try to help you join if you join the CBC
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investing club, but it's an incredibly
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easy thing to be an index fund investor.
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putting money in a 401k or IRA. Oh,
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that's index fund territory. You can
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gradually contribute over time with
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every paycheck. And as long as you
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believe the US economy can keep growing
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over the long haul, you can park that
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money in an index fund and check in on
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it maybe once or twice a month. But to
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get back on track, this idea that you
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can can't possibly beat the averages
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because of the efficient market
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hypothesis tells us stocks are always
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perfectly valued. And you know what?
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That's just totally bogus.
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Putting aside the fact that I did
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consistently beat the averages nearly
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every year at my old hedge fund, giving
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my clients a 24% compound annual return
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after all fees over the course of 14
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years versus 8% for the S&P. The simple
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truth is that markets are not perfectly
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efficient. In fact, frankly, they're
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often irrational. They ignore things,
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make mistakes, misval information every
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day. And that's a major reason why
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anyone can make money picking individual
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stocks. These anomalies are everywhere
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and they can be great for your
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portfolio. Ironically, this core dogma
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of free market economics is a lot like
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communism. Makes a lot of sense in
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theory. It doesn't necessarily work in
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life. So, why the heck did I bring up
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the efficient market hypothesis in the
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first place? Is it's such a boneheaded
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idea? Because even if the most extreme
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form of this theory isn't true, and it's
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not, empirically, we know for a fact
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that markets are all kinds of
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inefficient. It's still a very useful
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idea. As an ironclad law of the
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universe, the efficient markets
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hypothesis can't help us. But as a rough
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guideline, it can lead us in the right
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direction. Markets try to be efficient.
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They aspire to be to efficiency. When a
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company reports a fantastic quarter and
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stock spikes immediately because that
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kind of data that can get baked in very
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quickly. When the Federal Reserve
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changes policy telling us it's probably
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done raising interest rates like we saw
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in late 2023. Uh that's huge news and it
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takes longer to get reflected in the
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average. Baking that in can take months.
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Even when the Fed abruptly changed
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course as the end of 2018 that kind that
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it took weeks to work in through the
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averages. Stocks that benefit from lower
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rates will instantly sore, but it can
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take days or weeks or even months for
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the average to fully reflect the new
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normal because it takes time for
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portfolio managers to reposition. We're
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talking about huge slugs of stock here.
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No hedge or mutual funds is going to buy
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or sell them all at once. Sooner or
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later though, we do reach a new
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equilibrium. So, let me give you the mad
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money version of the efficient markets
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hypothesis. quality kind of sort of
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efficient markets correlary. When
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there's a widely held consensus view
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about something, anything, be it
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positive or negative, you have to assume
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that view is already being discounted by
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the stock market. So when everyone's
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feeling euphoric about the strong job
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market, that's probably baked into stock
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prices already. When everybody's worried
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about a temporary Fed mandated slowdown
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is probably baked in. When investors are
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hunkering down in fear of bad earning
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season, don't expect the stocks to get
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slammed in disappointing numbers. People
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are already anticipating a
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disappointment.
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In short, when all the talking heads and
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journalists and media friendly money
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managers are telling you to be afraid of
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the same thing, that might be the one
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thing you don't actually need to be
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worried about. Let everybody else worry
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for you. From the stock market's
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perspective, the fact that most
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investors believe something's going to
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happen means that Wall Street's already
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treating it as a reality. Yet, it's so
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easy to fall prey to group think when
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you're managing your own money. Emotions
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are infectious, like a communical
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disease. Frankly, when you see all sorts
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of experts coming on television and
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saying the same thing while the
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newspapers print similar stories and
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your friends echo this stuff back to
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you, it's only natural to assume it must
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be true. And you know what? Very often
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it is true. But that doesn't mean it's
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going to move stock prices. By the time
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we get any kind of real consensus on an
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issue, that move is probably over. You
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missed it. The bottom line, if you want
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to be a better investor, don't tear your
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hair out freddy about the same things as
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everybody else. Instead, you should
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worry about the things other people
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don't seem to care about. because the
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real threat is the one that you don't
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see coming. Let's take questions. Let's
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go to Mary in Idaho. Mary,
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hi Jim. Nice to talk to you again. I um
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have a comment and a question for you.
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The comment is regarding uh when you
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were talking about um the conventional
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stupidity. Yes. I sent you an email on
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that and I hope you'll have uh an
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opportunity to to read it. Um I thought
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you'd enjoy it. Um the question the
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question is at what percent of increase
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in a stock should a person consider
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taking some or all of their profit
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either to reinvest immediately or to
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just hold back as cash to buy something
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down the road. Okay, let's take this
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from the point of view of uh that you
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need to sell something in order to be
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able to buy something. What I like to do
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and we talk about this CBC investing
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club is that if a stock has change, if
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there are fundamental differences from
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what happened when I bought it. In other
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words, let's say I bought a stock and
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then subsequently it has two bad
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quarters. Well, that's what I want to
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sell. I rank the stocks. I lower stocks
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ranking if they've missed a couple of
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quarters and then I boot that to buy
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something I think is better. There are
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going to be moments where a third
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quarter turns out to be good and I
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didn't get it and I kick myself when
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that happens. But what I've done is
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create a level of discipline that that's
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what you should do. Mary and thank you
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for your email too. Let's go to Dave in
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Colorado. Dave,
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hi Jim.
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Dave, how are you?
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Colorado Booya to you, sir.
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Booyah.
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Longtime listener, first- time caller.
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Uh, thank you for all you do. A side
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note, my mom got me into investing
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decades ago and had me watch Wall Street
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Week and Review with Lewis Ruka, Marty's
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wife, and you are carrying on their
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legacy. So, thank you.
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That's how I got involved, too. So,
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we're in the same boat. Let's go to
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All right, let's go to work. Here's the
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I'm calling on behalf of my girlfriend
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who is in her early 60s. She's retired
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with a state pension. She has an
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investment management firm managing
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600,000 in stocks and ETFs in tax
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deferred accounts, but they're charging
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her 1% per year.
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They haven't kept pace with the S&P 500
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and have actually avoided the mag 7 and
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growth stocks almost completely. She
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wants to manage her money on her on her
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own. Two questions. How should she
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construct a portfolio of her own? And
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over what time frame should she make the
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change?
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Okay, so I would put twothirds of it in
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an S&P index fund. Obviously, if they
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can't beat it, just go for it and join
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it. Then one/3 I would structure around
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we've been saying a portfolio of say six
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to 10 stocks of which two or three can
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be overweighted and large mostly mag
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seven I should add stocks that we think
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are really great. CBC Investing Club can
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help you pick those 10 cuz we have a
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portfolio of around more than 30 and you
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just take the 10 that you're most
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excited about and no more 1%. you're now
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free to move. And uh well, she is and
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tell her congratulations for having
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saved up that much money. That's
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terrific. All right. The most useless
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thing you can do as an investor is to
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worry about what everybody else is
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worried about. Remember, the real threat
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is the one you didn't see coming. I made
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money today. I'm giving you my
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Madanomics 101 course and giving you all
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my best practices for investing.
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Sometimes you need to take a step back
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and evaluate what not just what you're
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investing in, but how. So if you want to
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better your investing skills, I say yes
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indeed. Stick with Kramer.
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Like I told you before the break, when
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you pack into a crowded trade, you're
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playing with fire. If everybody's on the
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same page about a stock or even a whole
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sector, that usually means the easy
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money's already been made. Doesn't mean
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you can't profit from something obvious.
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But when you're late to the party,
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you're going to have lower returns and
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higher risk. That look, that's just the
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nature of the beast. Fortunately,
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nobody's putting a gun to your head and
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forcing you to follow the hedge fund
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herd. In fact, you don't even have to
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think about spotting tops and bottoms by
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gauging sentiment if you don't want to.
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There are lots of different ways to
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invest. Some of them take less work than
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others. For example, there's timing. You
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could try to call every girration in the
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averages, buying stocks when they look
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poised for near-term bottom, then
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selling them when they look toppy. You
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can trade around a core position. You
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take a large holding. Then you lighten
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up on part of your position when it gets
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overextended to the upside and buy it
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back when the stock sells off. You can
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keep your battle in your shoulder,
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waiting for the perfect moment where the
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whole market sells off dramatically,
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giving you a chance to pick up your
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favorite stocks for much less than
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they're worth. my fave back on my old
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hedge fund. I love doing this stuff. If
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you've got the time and of course you
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need the inclination and the right
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resources, it is a terrific way to make
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money. But if you got a full-time job,
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this whole approach is just nuts. And I
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say that as someone with a terrifying
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extended family history of mental
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illness. Regular people who work on
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that's funny. Regular people who work
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for a living don't have time to stare at
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the tape all day. Even if you work the
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night shift, it's just not a good use of
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your precious free time. More
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importantly, trading this actively just
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isn't worth the agitation. That's why I
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come here every night to do the show. I
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focus on the market like a hawk so that
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you can take a less intense approach to
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investing. One that lets you go to work
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and have a personal life. It's why we
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help walk you through all these
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different things with our charitable
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trust when you join the CBC Investing
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Club, which you know I really want you
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to do. So, how should you approach the
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market if you're not prepared to devote
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your entire waking life to watching
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stocks? What's the safest way to handle
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individual stocks part-time? For
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starters, let me say once again that
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index funds are a wonderful thing. If at
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any point what I'm describing sounds too
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daunting to you or just too
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timeconuming, please do not hesitate to
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say individual stocks are not for me and
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just put most of your mad money. That's
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the cash investment that's not part of
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your retirement portfolio into a nice
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lowcost index fund or ETF. They have
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very low fees that mirrors the S&P 500.
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I said this before the break, too, but
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that's because it's good advice. Being a
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savvy stock investor takes work. Being a
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savvy index fund investor, well, let's
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just say it's relatively easy. Sure, if
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you manage your portfolio well, if you
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do the homework and stay disciplined, I
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think you can beat the S&P 500 with a
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diversified group of individual stocks.
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And I do like one or two overweighted,
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just, you know, but not everybody has
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that kind of time. Not everybody has
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that temperament. Not everyone is
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comfortable taking on more risk to chase
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a higher return. And that's perfectly
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fine, too. See, you got to do what's
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right for you. Call that suitability.
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What suits you? So, keep that index fund
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option in your back pocket. Now,
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assuming you really do want to try to
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profit from individual stocks, let's
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talk about how you can do that without
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the stock market taking total control of
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your life. First, from the get-go, you
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need to accept that the best is enemy of
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the good. There's no point in trying to
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buy or sell stocks at the perfect
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moment. Nobody's that talented. Even
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making the attempt will drive you nuts.
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You need to accept results that are good
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enough rather than trying to chase
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perfection. For example, if a stock you
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like gets hammered down from $60 to $50
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and you pull the trigger, but then it
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goes down another couple of points
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before it bottoms and rebounds to $60.
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Please don't kick yourself for making a
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mistake. You didn't screw up. You made a
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good pick. Okay? Yeah, you could have
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made a couple extra points if your
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timing had been flawless, but a win's a
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Second, regular viewers know that I
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don't believe in the concept of buy and
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hold. I believe in the concept of buy
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and homework, meaning you need to keep
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researching your companies after you own
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a piece of them. And if something goes
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terribly wrong, well, you may have to
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bail. I think it's a good idea to buy
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stocks slowly on the way down and sell
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them gradually on the way up. All this
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requires a certain amount of active
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management. Please don't feel compelled
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to be too active, though. Now, the last
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thing you need is to be flitting in and
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out of stocks with every giration in the
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broader market. You want to be an
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investor, not a trader. You think you
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can time things perfectly and flit in
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and out, but most gains occur in
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concentrated bursts. So, you're liable
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to miss them if you're on the sidelines.
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Thank you, the great Peter Lynch for for
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putting that in my head. Again, if
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you've got the time and the inclination
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to trade, that's great. However, most
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people don't. When you got a full-time
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job and you're trying to manage your own
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portfolio, you need to be willing to sit
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tight with the stocks you believe in.
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There will be selloffs. There will be
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rotations out of one group and into
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another. There will be crazy action on a
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week- toeek and even day-to-day basis.
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You don't have to constantly adjust your
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holdings based on these moves. If you
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believe in the stocks you own, and you
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shouldn't own anything that you don't
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believe in, then you should be willing
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to stick with them when the backdrop
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gets tough. Ideally, you you'd be able
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to trade in and out. But like I told
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you, the best is the enemy of the good.
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In reality, when everybody's panicking
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over the latest crisis, you're going to
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be tempted to panic, too, and just sell
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everything. Get out now. You might even
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avoid a substantial decline by bailing
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on the whole stock market. Sooner or
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later, you're going to need to get back
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in. The whole point of sidest stepping a
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decline is to sell high and buy your
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favorite stocks back at a lower level.
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Unfortunately, again, it's really hard
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to nail the timing here. You see my
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theme? It's I don't want you to do the
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impossible. If you dump everything,
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there's no guarantee you'll be able to
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buy your stocks back before something
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changes and the market comes roaring
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back. Witness when the market bottomed
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in October of 2023 when long-term
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interest rates peaked and started
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heading lower. Well, something almost
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nobody saw coming. What's the solution?
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If you don't want to give yourself a
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panic attack every day, keep doing the
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homework so you know what you own. When
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your stock surge higher, use that
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opportunity to ring the register just on
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part of your position. Raise a little
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cash after 20% move or more. You need to
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take something off the table. That's my
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limit these days. When you stop when
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your stocks get hit, put that cash to
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work buying more shares at lower prices.
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But you don't have to nail every
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shortterm top and bottom. Let me give
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you the bottom line here. To trade or
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not to trade, that is the question. If
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you're trying to be an investor who
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doesn't need to stare at the tape all
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day long, it's nobler in the mind to
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suffer the slings and arrows of
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outrageous fortune. You don't need to be
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perfect at managing your money. You just
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need to be good enough. And that means
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you shouldn't waste your time trying to
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anticipate every little gyration in the
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market. Take a page from Jimmy Chill and
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relax. Money's back.
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Booya for the emperor of crime.
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Honorable James J. Kramer,
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you got me jumping around my office
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right now.
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Thank you so much for all you do for us.
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I enjoy your show and I find it very
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entertaining and informative.
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I watched your first ever episode of Mad
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Money back in 2005 and I've been
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watching every single episode ever
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since.
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Don't miss Mad Money every night at 6
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p.m. Eastern. Plus, join the CNBC
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Investing Club and stick with Kramer
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around the clock.
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The stock market talks to me a and I
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mean that figuratively, not literally.
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Contrary to what you may have read on X,
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formerly known as Twitter, I do not hear
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voices. Although periodically I think
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that my left molar crown does indeed
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play music, but that's not what we're
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talking about here. I'm constantly
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listening to the tape, not music, to get
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a read on what the big institutional
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money measures are up to. And to do
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that, I need to separate the signal from
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the noise. What do I mean by that? Okay,
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on any given day, there might be monster
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moves in individual stocks. It's
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tempting to assume that all these swings
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are equally significant, but some are a
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lot more meaningful than others. So,
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when you see the cloud stocks for just
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getting killed, for example, the natural
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conclusion to draw is something must be
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wrong with the cloud. When a really
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loathed group bounces,
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it's not much of a stretch to assume
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that the pain must be over
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the house of pain.
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But that's too easy. The truth is, some
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of these moves are a signal and some of
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them are noise. Signal means something.
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It tells you that the stock will
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probably keep moving in the same
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direction. Noise on the other hand,
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well, is noise. To borrow my favorite
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line from McBTH, noise is a poor player
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that struts and frets his hour upon the
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stage and then is heard no more. It is a
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tale told by an idiot full of sound and
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fury signifying nothing. In short, while
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signal carries a message, there's no
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real takeaway from noise. In another
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life, Shakespeare would have been a
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dynamite investor. Distinguishing the
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signal from the noise is as much an art
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as a science. So, how do you tell when a
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major stock swing hurled something
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larger? Before we get into what makes a
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move meaningful, you need to understand
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that we get major single day advances
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and declines with no real significance
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all the time. Good stocks can get ahead
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of themselves, rallying too far, too
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fast for selling off. The technical term
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for this is overbought. And charters
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measure it with the slow stochastic
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oscillator or the Williams percentage R
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oscillator named after the legendary
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Larry Williams we talk about a lot when
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we go off the charts. When something's
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overbought, it means pretty much
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everybody who wanted the stock at a
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given level has already purchased it.
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Even the highest quality company can
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have an overbought stock. And when you
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run out of buyers, you almost always get
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a pullback. But this kind of overbought
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sell-off doesn't tell you anything
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except that the stock in question need
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to take a breather and digest its gains.
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At the same time, even bad stocks can
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rally and for similar reasons. If they
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get oversold because they've come down
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too quickly, you tend to get a nice
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oversold bounce. Once again though, this
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is the sort of rally that doesn't convey
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much information. It's noise. A stock
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gets oversold, it bounce, and unless
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something else changes, it can go right
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back down once the works off the bounce.
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I bring this up because when you see
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dramatic swings in individual stocks,
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your mind will try to draw a connection
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to the fundamentals, the real world
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facts about how the underlying company's
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actually doing. Sometimes that
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connection genuinely exists. Other times
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the action in the stock is noise, not a
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signal, and you'll end up feeling very
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foolish if you take your cue from that
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kind of action. Those who want to know
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more about this can go back to the
[22:12] (1332.08s)
cannon on stock markets and that's
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Confessions of a Street addict where I
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describe how easy it is to see a stock
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move a point and convince yourself
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something's really happening underneath.
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It's a really funny part of the book.
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All that really happens is that you have
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more buyers than sellers at a given
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moment. In a way that might be totally
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unrelated to the actual company. I
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demonstrate that with a long time ago
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with the stock called Stride Right. It's
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pretty funny. Hey, by the way, this is
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something we're constantly walking you
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through with the CNBC Investing Club. Of
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course, it's not just the techs. There
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are plenty of other reasons why a stock
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might explode higher or melt down that
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have nothing to do with the
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fundamentals. Sometimes the market
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simply makes a mistake and then the
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mistake gets rolled back. No greater
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significance. Maybe people misinterpret
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a good quarter as a bad one. Something
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that happens quite often during earning
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season because there's so many things
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happening at once. Maybe money managers
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are dumping stocks in one group purely
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to raise money so they can buy it in
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another. Yeah. One that's hotter.
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So, what kind of action carries real
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significance? How do you know when a big
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move's foreshadowing something even
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bigger down the line? All right, there's
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a lot of signal that's pretty obvious. A
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company reports a blowout quarter and
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his stock roars. Obvious. Analyst cuts
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estimates
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and the stock plummets. Obvious. That's
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just business usual. Now, I prefer to
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look for the unusual. A company catches
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an analyst downgrade and it stock goes
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up. Interesting signal.
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counterintuitive. In my experience, when
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a stock refuses to go lower on bad news,
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it often means that's putting in a
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bottom and is ready to rocket higher. By
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the same token, when a company reports a
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fantastic quarter, it gives great
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guidance a bullish cover and the stock
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gets slammed. Well, look, that's the
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kind of signal I'm looking for, too. It
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means Wall Street believes this
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company's looking at its last great
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quarter. When your stock falls on
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positive news, well, you may be looking
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at the top. For the most part, though,
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you can't decipher hidden messages in
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the way stocks are trading, except in
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some rare cases, you probably shouldn't
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even try. It's important to know what's
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working and what's not working in any
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given market. But you can't let your
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money management decisions be completely
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guided by what's in or out of style in
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the Wall Street fashion show. Otherwise,
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you end up owning stocks just because
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they're going higher. And that is a
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terrible place to be because you won't
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know what the heck to do with them once
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they inevitably start coming down.
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Here's the bottom line. When you're
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evaluating a stock, take your cue from
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the fundamentals of the underlying
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company. Don't put too much significance
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on day-to-day girations in the share
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price. Sometimes you can extrapolate a
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great deal from a big move in an
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individual stock, but more often it's
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telling you something you already know
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or it's just noise that means nothing.
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Let's take calls. Let's go to Howard,
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New York. Howard,
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bully you, Jim. This is Howie from the
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Bronx. First time caller and club
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member.
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Excellent. Thank you, my friend. Thank
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you, Howie. What's going on?
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Every time I visit with my grandson, he
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looks at my portfolio cuz he knows I'm
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always watching Mad Money every day. And
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thanks to your 10:00 a.m. conference
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calls and your intraday alerts, he sees
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gains of anywhere from 60 to 200% of
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some of my stock.
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Now, my grandson, he wants to be an
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investor, too. I hope.
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So, here are my questions. Okay,
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threefold. When do I start to trim? How
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much should I trim? And more
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importantly, because I like these stocks
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so much and I believe in them, when can
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I get back in?
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Okay, these are really great questions.
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They're fundamentals because what
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happens is is that we believe in
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discipline and we believe in conviction.
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Discipline must always trump conviction.
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That means that we like to start
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trimming 20 at 20% up. We'll trim
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between 5 and 10%, another 20%. Same
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thing. If we really want to be able to
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be in shape to be able to buy some back,
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we must do that. And that's how we play
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it. Otherwise, we let it run if we got
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our cash out. Holy cow. Ned in Ohio. Ned
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Fivestar Professor Kramer. It's good to
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talk to you today, sir. How are you?
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I am good, Ned. Thank you for calling
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in. How can I help you?
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Yes, sir. Well, uh, a couple months ago,
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I was listening to Warren Buffett and he
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talked about, uh, high growth rate
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companies that eventually forge their
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own anchor. He said the company keeps
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expanding and its shares kept rising.
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Would you explain that to me? And does
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it uh is Nvidia an example of that?
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Well, okay, Nvidia is a really great
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example. Let me tell you why. Because
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when you look at Nvidia on forward
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earnings or the estimates, it always
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looks expensive and then it so far
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trumps those estimates that when you
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look backward, it turns out that the
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stock was selling at a remarkably low
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price during mobile. And that's been the
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secret to Nvidia literally since 2012.
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Incredible. It just keeps doing that.
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All right. Please don't put too much
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significance on day-to-day girrations in
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a stock share price. You have to know
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when something is a signal and when it's
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all just sound and noise signifying
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nothing. Watch where Mad Money. I'm
[27:06] (1626.48s)
highlighting one of the key pitfalls
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that many investors falsely think of as
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an opportunity. I'll explain why you
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should be more cautious than you think.
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and I'm taking all your investing
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questions with my investing club partner
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Jeff Mars. So stay with Kramer.
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Good evening, Mr. Kramer. Thank you.
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Thank you for everything you do.
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You've been such a wonderful source of
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information with your teachings. I have
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to say thanks.
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Thank you for all your advice and saving
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us from ourselves.
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Your advice let me quit a job that I
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hated. I love you to death.
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Thank you for everything you do. Thanks
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for making us money and more
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importantly, thanks from keeping us from
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losing money.
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All night I've been warning you about
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the dangers of being a follower. When
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everybody expects the same outcome in
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the stock market, there's a very good
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chance it won't play out as expected
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because it's already priced in. That's
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what we call priced in. And that's why
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you need to be extra wary of the IPO
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cycle. Let's go over this. We've seen
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the pattern over and over again. We get
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this delusion of new deals. At f at
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first, many of them explode higher. But
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at the same time, they're flooding the
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market with new stock supply. And that
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supply ultimately drags us down. I said
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it a million times. The stock market is
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like any other market. It's all about
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supply and demand. Too much supply and
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prices are going to be lower. The
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problem is when IPOs are making people
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fortunes, you tend to get a palpable
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sense of exuberance. And then when the
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deals start attracting less interest,
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the exuberance turns into hostility and
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then the whole market, not just the
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IPOs, tends to get slammed. We've seen
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this happen so many times in 2020. In
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2021, we got this wave of new IPOs and
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spack mergers as many people invested
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their government stimulus checks in the
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hottest looking stocks in the market.
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Just in 2021, get this, we had roughly
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400 traditional IPOs and another 200
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Spack mergers, which originally were
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meant to be blank check companies that
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would make a bunch of acquisitions over
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time. But in 2020, lots of startups
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began to use spack mergers as a way to
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come public while evading the strict
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regulations that the SEC commit, you
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know, the Securities Exchange Commission
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places on IPOs. Now, initially, there
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were some very exciting ones that really
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caught fire. For example, Zoom video.
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This one came public in 2019 and then
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soared to the stratosphere in 2020 once
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the pandemic made its platform essential
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at least during the co era. At first you
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you get a bunch of hot deals to get
[29:35] (1775.68s)
people excited. 2020 we also had a ton
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of electric vehicle and charging station
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related IPOs and spack mergers. At first
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these stocks were unstoppable. Although
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most of that was because this was a
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period of high-risisk speculation where
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people were willing to give anything
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with the right buzzwords the benefit of
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the doubt mistakenly of course
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reminiscent of the dotcom era in the
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late 90s when anything connected with
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the internet was beloved until the
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market was flooded with excess supply
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and the whole group collapsed in the
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year 2000. I'm going to give you a
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really concrete example from 2020. It's
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a company called Quantum Space. quantum
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space which in retrospect was basically
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a science experiment looking to develop
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better battery technology for electric
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vehicles. Anyone can develop better more
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efficient batteries with the ability to
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charge very quickly and and you can make
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a killing. Even in a world where
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electric cars have lost some of their
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luster but QuantumCape was a long way
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from having anything they could actually
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commercialize and they could sell. Even
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four years later, these guys still
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didn't have any meaningful revenue. Back
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in 2020 and early 2021, Wall Street was
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still giving the benefit of the doubt to
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anything connected to electric vehicles.
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QuantumCape came public via spa deal and
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you have to be mer you remember you have
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to be really skeptical of those. And
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when that merger was announced, the spa
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it was merging with saw it stock more
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than double in just two trading sessions
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putting in the 20s. Now during this
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initial period of maximum hype, the
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stock I know this is going to be crazy
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but stock shot up to nearly $132 and
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that's where it peaked in December 2020.
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Then we started seeing short sellers
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come out of the woodwork arguing it was
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a scam and Wall Street gradually lost
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interest in companies with zero
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profitability, let alone super
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speculative names like QuantumCape.
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No revenue. In the end, the stock got
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obliterated by late 2022 was the single
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digits and has only been able to bounce
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above those levels at times thanks to
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what I regard as an occasional short
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squeeze. And look, QuantumCape's hardly
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alone. Don't mean to pick on it. All
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sorts of electric vehicle plays that
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came public during the IPO frenzy of 20
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and 21 got crushed. Rivian, although it
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ended up coming back, but Lucid, Nicola,
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Canoe, the Lion Electric, Lightning
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Motors, Lordstown Motors, Faraday,
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Future Intelligent Electrics, all saw
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their stocks punched more than 90% from
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peak to trough. Many like Nicola turned
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out to be well had some fraudulence.
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Their founder and CEO was even sentenced
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to prison. Again though, we had roughly
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600 companies come public just in 2021.
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And by the second half of that year,
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many of these deals were blowing up in
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your face because we already had far too
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many newly minted stocks. The moment the
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Fed started talking tough about raising
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interest rates in November 2021, the
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entire edifice collapsed and these new
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issues spent pretty much the entirety of
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2022 getting eviscerated. That's why I
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came at it and warned you about the
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dangers of the IPO mania late 2021. I
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said there was one surefire way to wound
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a bull market and that's by flooding it
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with lots of supply, new supply. Again,
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when tons of companies start coming
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public, we basically get a supply glut
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in the stock market. I also warn you
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that eventually the IPO bubble would
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burst and then you might be left holding
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the bag. Don't forget hundreds of really
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lowquality companies that came public in
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the 2000 year ultimately went bankrupt.
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2021 was just as bad. In fact, you could
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argue it was worse because so many of
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these were spack mergers and that could
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make absurdly overconfident long-term
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forecasts that the SEC would never allow
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in a traditional IPO. The other big
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problem when portfolio managers get
[32:53] (1973.28s)
excited about putting a lot of money to
[32:54] (1974.72s)
work in new IPOs, they often need to
[32:56] (1976.64s)
raise that money to by selling something
[32:58] (1978.96s)
else. And when there are a lot of large
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deals, they need to do a lot of selling.
[33:02] (1982.72s)
2021 was a little different thanks to
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the Fed's zero interest rate policy and
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all the stimulus checks that people got
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from the government. But in a normal IPO
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cycle, the new tends to trout out the
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old. That's what happens. You sell to
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buy. Remember, the bulk of the new money
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that comes into the market goes into
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index funds and they can't participate
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in IPOs because those stocks aren't in
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the indices yet. The actively managed
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funds that participate in these deals in
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the aggregate don't have enough cash
[33:26] (2006.08s)
coming in to get in on a bunch of big
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deals without selling something else.
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There's the mechanics of it. So, the
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next time we have a big wave of upcoming
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initial public offerings, I need you to
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remember that it pays to be cautious
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when the IPOs are coming hot and heavy.
[33:40] (2020.72s)
The bottom line, as much as I love
[33:42] (2022.64s)
anything that generates enthusiasm for
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the stock market, of course, nothing
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goes that like a few massively
[33:47] (2027.44s)
successful IPOs, you got to be careful
[33:49] (2029.92s)
when we get a whole wave of new issues.
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The IPO cycle tends to start out strong,
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generate a lot of euphoria, then it
[33:57] (2037.12s)
burns out and all the new stock supply
[33:59] (2039.52s)
can really weigh on the market. Please
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just keep in mind that concept the next
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time you get excited about a bunch of
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redhot deals and mad money is back after
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the break.
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By Jim, I love you, man. I've been
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watching you from day one.
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Thank you for all the wonderful advice
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that you provide us. I'm learning so
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much watching your show. Watch your
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program every day. I love it.
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Always wanted to say booya on your show.
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Thank you for being the greatest in the
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world. We consider you the money market
[34:28] (2068.08s)
maker and we thank you for all you do.
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the most entertaining program on TV.
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When you're picking stocks, you need to
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be very careful about doing the right
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thing for the wrong reasons. This
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happens more often than you expect.
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Let's say you find a great company, well
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managed, strong fundamentals, good
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dividend. You buy that company stock and
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it goes up. It's only natural to
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conclude that the stock's rallying for
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all the reasons that you liked it in the
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first place. That's not always true. You
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might think a win is a win, but
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sometimes it's more complicated than
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that. If you don't understand why a
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stock's moving up or down, you're
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probably going to be very confused when
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it stops doing that and goes in the
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opposite direction. And when we're
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confused, well, guess what happens? We
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make really lousy decisions. For
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example, there are a bunch of excellent
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well-run consumer packaged goods. They
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call them CPG companies. Maybe you want
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to buy Proctor and Gamble. Longtime
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favorite. There are lots of logical
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reasons to like them. But like I told
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you earlier, logic is rarely what drives
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the stock market on a day-to-day basis.
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So let but let's follow through here.
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Suppose you pick up some Proctor and
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Gamble because you really believe in
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management or you like the dividend or
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you think that plastic and fuel costs
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are going down which will boost the
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company's gross margins. That's a huge
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part of the expense. So you buy the
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stock and then it explodes higher.
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What's next? Well, you have to ask
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yourself, why is it rallying? It's very
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easy to tell yourself, I nailed it. This
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market's finally giving Proctor the
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credit it deserves. When you buy a stock
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and it goes up, that means you were
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right. Why would you second guess
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yourself when you're right? Well, the
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answer is simple because maybe you were
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just lucky. As I've told you before,
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it's better to be lucky than good. But
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either way, you need to be able to tell
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the difference. So, when you pack, you
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know, let's say you rack up a nice win
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in Proctor, you should ask yourself if
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you were right or if you simply happen
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to be in the right place at the right
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time. What do I mean by right place
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time? Rotation, rotation, rotation.
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There are times when the consumer
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package goods stocks roar higher for
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reasons that have nothing to do with the
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underlying companies. Proctor, like all
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the consumer package goods place, is a
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recession stock because its earnings
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tend to hold up during a slowing
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economy. Its stock roars when we get
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lousy economic data. If you buy these
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stocks because you believe in the
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business, but then they go higher as
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part of a sector rotation that has
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nothing to do with the business. You
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still got to win. The bank isn't going
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to tell you that they can't take that
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money because they don't accept profits
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from rotations. But you don't want to
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get caught with your pants down because
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the market suckered you into believing
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that Proctor and Gamble was going out
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based on the fundamentals when really it
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was benefiting from rotation into the
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whole consumer package goods stock
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sector. You know the Colgates J&J. This
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is what I meant earlier about filtering
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out the signal from the noise. And it is
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hard to do. Why? Because of something
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called confirmation bias. When you have
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a thesis and new evidence seems to prove
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your thesis correct, the natural thing
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is to believe you were right all along.
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You should approach that feeling with
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skepticism. Maybe you're right. People
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are right about stocks every day. But
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maybe it's just a coincidence. Darn it.
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And you should ring the register before
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that coincidence goes away. So, okay,
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let me give a concrete example. The
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residential solar stock soared in 2020
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and 2021 and kept running into 2022,
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even when most growth plates were
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getting pulverized. If you owned it,
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maybe you thought you were winning
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because people were embracing renewable
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energy and the government was
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subsidizing it heavily. But in 2023, the
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residential solar stocks, they got
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obliterated. Why? Do you know it had
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nothing to do with the popularity of
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renewable energy, and it couldn't be
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stopped by generous federal subsidies?
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Instead, it turned out that people can't
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really afford residential solar systems
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without borrowing money. Meaning, the
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whole industry was actually built not on
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solar, but on financing. And once people
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realized long-term interest rates would
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remain elevated for quite some time, the
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residential solar stocks, they all got
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crushed. It's not a coincidence
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something like Nphase was roaring in
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2020 and 2021 when people could borrow
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money for next to nothing. So, let me
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give you the bottom line on this. It's
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very helpful to understand why a stock
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you like is going up or down. When you
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have a win, don't lazily assume that you
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simply got it right. Think about what it
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means if you were merely in the right
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place at the right time. And please
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proceed with caution. Stick with crap.
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Tonight I've taught you all about
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manomics 101, but now it's time to turn
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to you. My viewers are smart, which is
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why my favorite part of the show, as I
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always tell you, is answering questions
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directly from you. Now, tonight I'm
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bringing in Jeff Marx, my portfolio
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analyst, partner in crime at the CBC
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Investing Club to answer some of your
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questions. And Jeff, you don't get us
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well ahead of some of these callers have
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been calling in saying you do a pretty
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great job. You know, keep your head so
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we can get through the door here. For
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those of you who are in the club, Jeff
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will need no introduction. For those of
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you who aren't members, and soon I hope
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you will be. Jeff's insight and our and
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our back and forth really are what we
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think is a major part of being part of
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the investing club. Thank you very much.
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All right, now let's get started. First
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up, we have a question from Jimmy who
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asks, "How can we best and we identify
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the best companies within an industry?"
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Now, I have a way that I like to do. I
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like to see who has the highest gross
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margins because that means they've got
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the biggest moat. That means they can
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make the most money and it's something
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that people don't look at enough, the
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gross margin.
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Yeah, that's a great way to do it. You
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could also look at who's growing the
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fastest as well, revenues. But another
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way I I think is really important is
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read the conference calls of of the
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companies and and and their peers and
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their customers. See who's partnering
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with who. That will give you a good tell
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about who's best of breed, who has the
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best products, who's doing the best by
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their customers.
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That's a really good point because I
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find that uh in the conference call you
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get a real sensib way of whether the
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analysts hate it or like it. You can
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often see by their questions whether
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they are in awe or they think that
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there's something that's suboptimal. So
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it's great great point to the conference
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calls. Now next up we have a question
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from Ian in Pennsylvania who asks you
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stressed the importance of being
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diversified and also doing your
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homework. Is there a point where one
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individual can have too many different
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stocks to be able to keep up with the
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homework while staying diversified? I
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used to discuss this question with pop
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my father. He had usually like to have
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40 or 50 stocks. And I would say to him,
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"Dad, why do you have 40 50?" He goes,
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"You know, Jimmy, I I work a couple
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hours a day and then I spend a lot of
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time just looking at the market." So, I
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like to look at a lot of stocks. Now, he
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had time on his hands. Most people
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don't. That's why I usually say that try
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to keep it to 10. Don't be a mutual
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funer yourself.
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Yeah. I think the benefits of
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diversification, they start to diminish
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uh at a certain point if you keep adding
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and adding and adding stocks. But that's
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5 to 10. That's what we generally say
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for the club. Start with pick the ones
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you like. Use your power of observation,
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curiosity,
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and and as you can do more of the
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homework, that's when you can start
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adding more.
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Yeah. And I think that's a perfect
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perfect situation. Next up, we have a
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question from Dean, also from
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Pennsylvania, who asks, "I'm considering
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either an S&P 500 index fund or a total
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stock market index fund for purchase.
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Both seem to have very similar expense
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ratios and historical returns. What is
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the primary difference between the two?
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Which you feel is better? Do you know
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that John Bogle personally told me, Jim,
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I want you to put in your 401k, I want
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it to be in the total stock market
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return fund of Vanguard?" And that's
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what I did. And I wanted And why did he
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want me to do He said over the long term
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you'll get a little bit better
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performance because you'll be
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diversified away from the S&P and you'll
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end up picking some really good young
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growth stocks that are in the total
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stock market return.
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Yeah, that's exactly the difference,
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right? S&P 500 that's going to be more
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of the large caps while total stock is
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uh you'll have the midcaps, some of the
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smaller caps as well, but I I think if
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you look over the long run, the turns
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the returns aren't going there's not
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going to be much of a difference between
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the two.
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And I did TSA fine either,
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right? But I I ended up doing it because
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the father of the index fund is John
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Bogle as you know and Jack said, "Jim,
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this total stock for turn will beat it."
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Now, there was a very long period where
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it did, but it's really kind of
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Anyway, I'm just doing it out of homage
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to the to the late John Bogle who is
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amazing guy. All right, now let's go to
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Miles in New York who asks, "What are
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your stages in cutting bait?" Now, I'm
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presuming cutting bait means when are we
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doing some selling? Up 20%, we like to
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do a little sale, then up another 20%.
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We've been very uh let's say uh diligent
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about letting our great stocks run and
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cutting off the ones that aren't. That's
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the key thing. You let your great stocks
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run, but if you can minimize your losses
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and be more aggressive in cutting, you
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will outperform the market,
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right? And you always have to remember
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when your original thesis when it's not
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playing out as as expected, that's when
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you may have to uh make an adjustment.
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And and I know in in some of those
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cases, we've often learned that our
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first sale is the best sale. true.
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When when trying to get out of a
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struggling game.
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Yeah. And I think that there's nothing
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wrong with admitting that you have a
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loss. What matters, as we were talking
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about the other day with Roger Federer,
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is you just win uh more than you lose.
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That's what you need to do. All right.
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Now, uh you know what? We're going to
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have to save the rest of the questions
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for next time. So, all I can say is I
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like to say there's always a market
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somewhere, and I promise try to find it
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just for you right here on Money. See
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you next time.
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