[00:01] (1.94s)
can you say about Bitcoin the
[00:03] (3.57s)
last week? Nuts and inflation
[00:06] (6.14s)
accelerating in June, with the
[00:07] (7.64s)
latest data showing consumer
[00:09] (9.61s)
prices rose 2.7% from a year
[00:12] (12.64s)
ago, more than the pace in May.
[00:13] (13.95s)
For more, let's bring in Wall
[00:15] (15.55s)
Street forecaster Jim Bianco of
[00:17] (17.98s)
Bianco Research. Jim, it's been
[00:19] (19.95s)
a while. The number today. We're
[00:22] (22.19s)
still waiting for Godot, though,
[00:24] (24.66s)
on the real scary tariff
[00:26] (26.99s)
inflation, aren't we? This was
[00:29] (29.03s)
it was just the slightest bit
[00:31] (31.63s)
maybe hotter than than
[00:33] (33.47s)
expectations. Still not awful.
[00:36] (36.00s)
>> Yeah. What we saw some signs
[00:37] (37.97s)
of tariffs in there. I mean
[00:39] (39.64s)
things like, you know, toys and
[00:41] (41.01s)
apparel and furnishing. They all
[00:43] (43.54s)
moved up more. Those are kind of
[00:45] (45.38s)
the things you would associate
[00:46] (46.78s)
with being imported from China.
[00:48] (48.98s)
What offset that were some other
[00:51] (51.12s)
service things and used car
[00:53] (53.65s)
prices that had a seasonal
[00:55] (55.02s)
adjustment down. So within that
[00:57] (57.96s)
number you saw the beginnings of
[01:00] (60.06s)
some moving up in tariffs. But
[01:02] (62.36s)
you're right, it wasn't that the
[01:04] (64.40s)
overall number got pushed. But
[01:06] (66.20s)
that might be coming in the
[01:08] (68.03s)
months ahead.
[01:09] (69.20s)
>> Jim. How much will offsets
[01:11] (71.81s)
play into what we're seeing.
[01:13] (73.34s)
There's a couple of half full
[01:16] (76.78s)
scenarios for inflation. If you
[01:18] (78.48s)
want to be, you know, try to be
[01:20] (80.21s)
positive. Hopefully not
[01:21] (81.78s)
pollyannaish but shelter costs
[01:23] (83.58s)
coming down right. Energy kind
[01:25] (85.62s)
of under control. The tariffs we
[01:29] (89.99s)
were still not till August.
[01:31] (91.42s)
There's some admittedly but not
[01:33] (93.33s)
the worst case scenario hasn't
[01:34] (94.76s)
been hit yet. Is there any way
[01:36] (96.46s)
that inflation stays off the
[01:39] (99.36s)
radar in terms of a real problem
[01:42] (102.17s)
for another month or not?
[01:44] (104.54s)
>> Oh, I mean, sure, if you get
[01:46] (106.61s)
those offsets, but I think that
[01:47] (107.74s)
when you come to prices going
[01:49] (109.88s)
up, I mean, we're talking about
[01:51] (111.64s)
goods prices. Now that you're
[01:52] (112.91s)
going to import, most likely
[01:54] (114.61s)
they're going to continue to go
[01:56] (116.25s)
higher. And when you get over to
[01:57] (117.82s)
the Fed's favorite measure, the
[01:59] (119.55s)
personal consumption
[02:00] (120.49s)
expenditures or PCE, the things
[02:02] (122.72s)
like you mentioned, like energy
[02:04] (124.36s)
and like housing has lower
[02:06] (126.36s)
weightings so they won't offset
[02:08] (128.66s)
as much. And as a matter of
[02:09] (129.66s)
fact, a lot of people on Wall
[02:12] (132.20s)
Street are already saying that
[02:13] (133.43s)
you could see in the PC number
[02:15] (135.57s)
at the end of the month because
[02:17] (137.07s)
it uses the same, you know,
[02:18] (138.17s)
survey that CPI uses a 3/10 or
[02:19] (139.84s)
4/10 rise in that number. Now
[02:21] (141.77s)
there's going to be more data
[02:24] (144.41s)
coming out tomorrow with PPI
[02:25] (145.51s)
that goes into that. So we'll
[02:26] (146.48s)
have to see what the final
[02:27] (147.55s)
numbers are. So you could see
[02:29] (149.62s)
sticky inflation. Be clear.
[02:30] (150.52s)
We're not talking about you know
[02:31] (151.75s)
huge inflation here. But in a
[02:33] (153.72s)
world of 3% that's enough to get
[02:35] (155.52s)
the fed not to move rates.
[02:36] (156.89s)
That's enough to keep the funds
[02:38] (158.39s)
rate of four.
[02:39] (159.96s)
>> Is any of this just last mile
[02:43] (163.90s)
inflation from the last bout
[02:45] (165.66s)
that we had that very
[02:47] (167.50s)
troublesome 40 year high. Or is
[02:50] (170.04s)
this is that gone. Was that was
[02:53] (173.04s)
that totally dissipated?
[02:54] (174.54s)
>> I think it has. I mean, you
[02:56] (176.41s)
know, that was more of a supply
[02:57] (177.88s)
chain shock and that that has
[02:59] (179.58s)
faded away in the picture right
[03:00] (180.98s)
now. And I think what we're
[03:02] (182.65s)
seeing is we're settling out on
[03:04] (184.08s)
a core inflation number around
[03:07] (187.15s)
3%, and on a headline inflation
[03:08] (188.92s)
number around two and a half to
[03:10] (190.26s)
three. And that will vary with
[03:12] (192.66s)
whatever energy prices do. But
[03:13] (193.63s)
those numbers you got to keep in
[03:15] (195.46s)
mind pre pre Covid they were
[03:17] (198.00s)
1.5%. So we're at a much higher
[03:19] (199.80s)
inflation level.
[03:20] (200.40s)
>> That everyone's a hawk
[03:21] (201.83s)
anymore I mean you see a lot of
[03:24] (204.37s)
you know people that have some
[03:26] (206.74s)
gravitas that not you know, not
[03:28] (208.11s)
just not to say, you know,
[03:29] (209.54s)
President Trump doesn't have
[03:30] (210.64s)
gravity, but not everyone is
[03:31] (211.91s)
just saying we want lower rates
[03:33] (213.61s)
because I'm a real estate guy
[03:35] (215.51s)
and I always want lower rates.
[03:36] (216.98s)
There are some sort of normal
[03:38] (218.28s)
people that think the fed should
[03:39] (219.45s)
be cutting right now, right?
[03:42] (222.12s)
>> That's true. And what they
[03:43] (223.56s)
want is they want lower rates.
[03:45] (225.46s)
But I'll remind you, last year
[03:47] (227.63s)
the fed cut rates 100 basis
[03:49] (229.29s)
points in September, November
[03:50] (230.63s)
and December, the ten year yield
[03:53] (233.10s)
started at 3.6% and ended at
[03:55] (235.50s)
4.8. It went straight up because
[03:57] (237.57s)
when the fed moves and the
[03:58] (238.97s)
market doesn't think it's the
[04:00] (240.87s)
right idea, it rejects it and
[04:02] (242.01s)
you see higher rates. The risk
[04:04] (244.04s)
you have is if we get what
[04:05] (245.61s)
President Trump wants, a 300
[04:06] (246.75s)
basis point cut. If the market
[04:08] (248.38s)
thinks, look, the economy is
[04:09] (249.75s)
okay, we don't need extra
[04:12] (252.28s)
stimulus and you're just going
[04:13] (253.45s)
to come up and just inject
[04:15] (255.12s)
steroids into this thing, then
[04:16] (256.66s)
you're going to wind up
[04:18] (258.19s)
potentially producing inflation,
[04:18] (258.96s)
and you'll wind