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Fed cut would feed inflation and hurt stocks, warns Wall Street forecaster Jim Bianco

CNBC Television β€’ 4:50 minutes β€’ Published 2025-07-15 β€’ YouTube

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Title: Fed cut would feed inflation and hurt stocks, warns Wall Street forecaster Jim Bianco
Channel: CNBC Television
Duration: 04:50
Views: 1,051

Overview

The video features Wall Street forecaster Jim Bianco analyzing recent inflation data, discussing its implications for the Federal Reserve's interest rate decisions, and examining the impact of tariffs and other economic factors on consumer prices. The conversation centers on whether inflation is poised to rise further and how this could affect monetary policy and financial markets.

Main Topics Covered

  • Recent inflation data and trends (CPI, PCE)
  • The influence of tariffs on consumer prices
  • Offsetting factors: shelter costs, energy prices, used cars, and services
  • The potential trajectory of inflation and Federal Reserve rate policy
  • Market reactions to interest rate changes
  • Comparison of current inflation levels to pre-pandemic rates

Key Takeaways & Insights

  • Consumer prices rose 2.7% year-over-year in June, slightly above expectations, with early signs of tariff effects visible in certain imported goods.
  • Offsetting factors such as lower shelter costs and stable energy prices have so far kept inflation from rising significantly, but their influence may be waning.
  • The Fed's preferred inflation measure, Personal Consumption Expenditures (PCE), could show a notable increase (0.3%–0.4%) soon, influenced by goods rather than services or energy.
  • Core inflation appears to be stabilizing around 3%, which is higher than the pre-pandemic average of 1.5%–2%.
  • The previous bout of high inflation, driven by supply chain disruptions, has largely dissipated; current inflation is less extreme but still persistent.
  • Cutting interest rates too aggressively may backfire if markets perceive the move as unnecessary, potentially leading to higher yields and renewed inflationary pressure.

Actionable Strategies

  • Monitor upcoming inflation reports (especially PCE and PPI) to gauge short-term trends.
  • Pay close attention to tariff implementation dates (notably in August) as they may drive further increases in goods prices.
  • Investors should be cautious about expecting rapid interest rate cuts, as market reactions may counteract intended effects.
  • Consider the relative weightings of inflation components (goods vs. energy/housing) when assessing risk.

Specific Details & Examples

  • June's consumer price index (CPI) showed a 2.7% annual increase.
  • Tariffs are beginning to impact prices of toys, apparel, and furnitureβ€”categories commonly imported from China.
  • Used car prices had a downward seasonal adjustment, offsetting some inflationary pressures.
  • Wall Street consensus anticipates a 0.3%–0.4% rise in the upcoming PCE report.
  • In 2023, the Fed cut rates by 100 basis points across three months, but the ten-year Treasury yield rose from 3.6% to 4.8%, illustrating market pushback.

Warnings & Common Mistakes

  • Assuming current mild inflation means future increases won't occur; tariff effects may intensify in coming months.
  • Overestimating the impact of declining shelter or energy costs, as their influence is limited in the Fed's preferred inflation metric.
  • Believing aggressive rate cuts will always lower borrowing costs; markets may react by pushing yields higher if cuts seem unwarranted.
  • Underappreciating the difference between headline and core inflation, and the move from pre-pandemic norms.

Resources & Next Steps

  • Watch for new data releases: Producer Price Index (PPI) and the upcoming PCE report.
  • Follow updates from the Federal Reserve regarding rate policy and economic outlook.
  • Monitor news on tariffs and their scheduled implementation.
  • Consider research from Bianco Research and other Wall Street analysts for ongoing insights into inflation and market trends.

πŸ“ Transcript (140 entries):

[00:01] can you say about Bitcoin the [00:03] last week? Nuts and inflation accelerating in June, with the latest data showing consumer prices rose 2.7% from a year ago, more than the pace in May. For more, let's bring in Wall Street forecaster Jim Bianco of Bianco Research. Jim, it's been a while. The number today. We're [00:22] still waiting for Godot, though, [00:24] on the real scary tariff [00:26] inflation, aren't we? This was it was just the slightest bit maybe hotter than than expectations. Still not awful. >> Yeah. What we saw some signs of tariffs in there. I mean [00:39] things like, you know, toys and [00:41] apparel and furnishing. They all moved up more. Those are kind of the things you would associate with being imported from China. What offset that were some other service things and used car prices that had a seasonal adjustment down. So within that number you saw the beginnings of some moving up in tariffs. But [01:02] you're right, it wasn't that the [01:04] overall number got pushed. But that might be coming in the months ahead. >> Jim. How much will offsets play into what we're seeing. There's a couple of half full scenarios for inflation. If you [01:18] want to be, you know, try to be [01:20] positive. Hopefully not pollyannaish but shelter costs coming down right. Energy kind of under control. The tariffs we were still not till August. There's some admittedly but not the worst case scenario hasn't been hit yet. Is there any way [01:36] that inflation stays off the [01:39] radar in terms of a real problem [01:42] for another month or not? >> Oh, I mean, sure, if you get those offsets, but I think that when you come to prices going up, I mean, we're talking about goods prices. Now that you're going to import, most likely they're going to continue to go higher. And when you get over to the Fed's favorite measure, the personal consumption expenditures or PCE, the things like you mentioned, like energy and like housing has lower weightings so they won't offset as much. And as a matter of fact, a lot of people on Wall Street are already saying that you could see in the PC number at the end of the month because it uses the same, you know, survey that CPI uses a 3/10 or 4/10 rise in that number. Now [02:21] there's going to be more data [02:24] coming out tomorrow with PPI [02:25] that goes into that. So we'll have to see what the final numbers are. So you could see sticky inflation. Be clear. We're not talking about you know huge inflation here. But in a [02:33] world of 3% that's enough to get [02:35] the fed not to move rates. That's enough to keep the funds rate of four. >> Is any of this just last mile inflation from the last bout that we had that very troublesome 40 year high. Or is this is that gone. Was that was that totally dissipated? [02:54] >> I think it has. I mean, you know, that was more of a supply chain shock and that that has faded away in the picture right now. And I think what we're seeing is we're settling out on a core inflation number around 3%, and on a headline inflation number around two and a half to three. And that will vary with whatever energy prices do. But those numbers you got to keep in mind pre pre Covid they were 1.5%. So we're at a much higher [03:19] inflation level. >> That everyone's a hawk anymore I mean you see a lot of you know people that have some gravitas that not you know, not just not to say, you know, President Trump doesn't have gravity, but not everyone is just saying we want lower rates because I'm a real estate guy and I always want lower rates. There are some sort of normal people that think the fed should be cutting right now, right? >> That's true. And what they want is they want lower rates. [03:45] But I'll remind you, last year [03:47] the fed cut rates 100 basis [03:49] points in September, November [03:50] and December, the ten year yield [03:53] started at 3.6% and ended at 4.8. It went straight up because when the fed moves and the market doesn't think it's the right idea, it rejects it and you see higher rates. The risk you have is if we get what President Trump wants, a 300 basis point cut. If the market [04:08] thinks, look, the economy is [04:09] okay, we don't need extra [04:12] stimulus and you're just going [04:13] to come up and just inject [04:15] steroids into this thing, then [04:16] you're going to wind up [04:18] potentially producing inflation, [04:18] and you'll wind