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The idea of Elon creating a third party
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is for any other human being like
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absolutely absurd and ridiculous. Elon
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has obviously done incredible things. So
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dismissing anything he's touching is a
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bad idea. However, I think the best
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metaphor I've seen is it's a little bit
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like Michael Jordan tried to play
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baseball
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and became a replacement level baseball
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player, which actually really hard to
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do. By the way, Elon is probably a
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replacement level politician. Um, he's
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Michael Jordan for entrepreneurial
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stuff, but the third party stuff is not
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going to work. First of all, um there
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that chart is misleading. It's a flaw of
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average. It's both badly designed and
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it's a flaw of average. Trump is
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incredibly popular among Republicans. He
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actually has the highest approval rate
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of any Republican ever measured in
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recorded history. It's 95%. Reagan was
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peaked out at 93%. It's just Democrats
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don't like them, which is perfectly
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fine. Being polarizing is is an
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ingredient to being successful,
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including with people on the show. Like
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the point of accomplishing things in the
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world is you don't really care what half
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the world thinks. You need to make sure
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that there's a lot of people who like
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you and really approve and are
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enthusiastic about what you do. And
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Trump is about as popular with his party
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as anybody's ever been ever. Period.
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No exceptions. Secondly, um there's MAGA
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has kind of already uh changed the
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Republican party. Trump is sort of like
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a third party takeover of the Republican
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party. And so it's kind of already
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happened and maybe you can do this every
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20 years or 30 years. I don't think you
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can have like this kind of
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transformation on one party within a two
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compressed period of time for a lot of
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reasons. Third is um really smart
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parties absorb the lesson of political
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science. Unfortunately I studied
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political science. I wasted kind of my
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college years and instead of saying CS
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and you know maybe then I'd be coding
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stuff and doing physics like Travis. But
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one thing I did learn is smart parties
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absorb the best ideas of third parties.
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So the oxygen is usually not there
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because there's a darministic evolution
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of if you get traction on an idea, it's
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really easy to conscript some of those
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ideas and take away the momentum. No
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third party candidate that's a true like
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third party has won a Senate seat since
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And that's actually Bill Buckley's
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brother. So he has him name ID. The
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other thing Elon I think is missing and
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the proponents of what he's doing is
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people vote not just for ideas, they
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vote for people. It's a combination. The
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product is what do you what do you
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believe and who are you? And you can't
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divorce the two. Trump is a person and
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that generates a lot of enthusiasm and
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it's one of the reasons why he has
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challenges in midterms because he's not
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on the ballot. His ideas may be on the
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ballot but he is not specifically on the
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ballot. So unless because Elon can't be
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the figure head of the party, he
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literally can't constitutionally,
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you need a face that's a person, Obama,
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a Clinton, like there's reasons why
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people resonate
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Reagan.
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Without that personality, specific ideas
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just are not going to galvanize the
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American people.
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Okay. So the counter to that and what
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people believe he's going to try to do
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is win a couple of seats in the House,
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Travis. win maybe one or two Senate
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seats if you were to do that. Those
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things are pretty affordable to back.
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Couple of million dollars for a House
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race. Senate maybe$25 million. If Elon
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puts, I don't know, 250 million to work
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every two years, which he I think he put
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280 million to work on the last one, he
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could kind of create the Joe Mansion
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moment and uh he could build a caucus, a
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platform, Grover Norquist kind of pledge
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along these lines. And so what do you
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think of that? If he's not going to
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create a viable third party presidential
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candidate, could he, Travis, pick off a
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couple of Senate seats, pick off a
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couple of congressional seats?
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Okay. So, first I have this axiom that
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I'm making up right now.
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Okay. It's called Elon is almost always
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Okay. All right.
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Elon was right about everything.
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I mean, seriously, let's just be real.
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And like honestly the things he's upset
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about and that he's riled up about
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especially when you look at the deficit
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like man I am right on board that train.
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Part one. Part two.
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We've never had somebody with this kind
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of capital that can be a quote unquote
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party boss outside of the system. Right.
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there's a lot of people that agree with
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the types of things he's saying and he
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knows how to draw, you know, he Elon in
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his own right kind of has a populist
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vibe like he does his thing and he's
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turned X into what it is and he's he's a
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big part of X and so I think it's the I
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think it's great and honestly there's
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there's the moves you can make on Senate
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and House and just having a few folks
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and and being you being levers then to
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get the things you want done. That's
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part one. And then part two of that is
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the threat of that happening can make
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good things happen separately even if it
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doesn't go all the way. I just love it.
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I'm I'm on the train.
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Yeah. I'm I'm I'm in love with this role
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for Elon more than picking a party
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because he's picking a very specific
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platform that I think resonates with
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folks which is just balance the budget.
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Don't put us in so much debt and let's
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have some sustainable energy, you know,
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job done. Great job.
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The problem with that is like he's
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actually wrong about the reason why we
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have a deficit or debt.
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It's not because we're undertaxed. It's
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we're massively overspending. If we just
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No, I think he believes we're
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overspending. They should have been
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supporting the last, you know, beautiful
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bill because if you just held federal
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spending to 2019 levels, so 2019 is not
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like, you know, decades ago,
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literally with our current tax revenues,
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we would be in a surplus,
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500 billion.
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Yeah. So there all we need to do is cut
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spending. Now I admit that there's
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Why didn't that happen with the big
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beautiful bill?
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So this is where details do matter. I
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think there is a willingness and a you
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know discipline problem on both parties
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and I think maybe he can help fix that.
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The second thing is that we have these
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arcane rules particularly in the Senate
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that you need 60 votes in many ways to
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cut things except through very hacky
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methods and that's a reality. So the
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best thing truthfully he could do is
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help get a Republican party to 60 votes
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and then in then in theory he could be
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absolutely furious if you didn't cut
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back to 2019 levels. But it it's very
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tricky. Or you can just overrule like
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this. The filibuster is an artifact of
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history and at some point some majority
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leader is just going to say we're done
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with the filibuster and just steamroll
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through all the cuts at 50 or 51 votes
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which you can do. There's no
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constitutional right to a filibuster. It
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is an artifact of centuries of American
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history and at some point it's going to
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go away. So maybe the time is now. Maybe
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we should just fix everything now.
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I think you're exactly right. I think
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that the filibuster it's just a matter
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of time. I think it's on borrowed time.
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And I think in a world where it is on
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borrowed time, Jason, I think your path
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is probably the one that gives the
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American party, if it does come into
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existence, the most leverage, which is
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if you control three to five independent
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candidates, you gain substantial
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leverage.